Let’s break this down step by step. **1. What we know about the company from the data** - The company is Naturgy Energy Group, S.A., a Spanish utility. - As of 2023-01-01, total assets are €40,390 million and equity is €9,979 million. - Financial liabilities (noncurrent + current borrowings and leases) are considerable — long-term borrowings alone are €12,689 million. - There’s a clear trend of profitability, with net income attributable to the parent of €1,649 million in 2022. - Operating cash flows are strong (€4,242 million in 2022), comfortably covering investment and financing needs. **2. Market context (2020–2022)** - Swap rates were negative or low in 2020–2021 before rising significantly in 2022, increasing refinancing costs. - Corporate bond yields (iShares Core Euro Corp Bond) and subordinated spreads also rose in 2022. Issuing hybrids became more expensive relative to the prior low-rate environment. - Despite higher rates, Naturgy’s credit profile (utility, stable cash flows) makes it a plausible candidate for hybrid issuance. **3. S&P cap and rationale for use** - S&P caps equity credit from hybrids at 15% of total adjusted capital (debt + equity). - For a company like Naturgy, hybrids can be used to support the rating while maintaining financial flexibility, especially given heavy infrastructure investments. - However, the relatively high interest rate environment in 2022 meant the cost of hybrid capital was higher, and Naturgy’s leverage was not extremely aggressive — equity is ~25% of total assets, suggesting moderate usage. - The question is about how much of the allowed 15% cap they should *utilize*. Given sound cash flow, reasonable leverage, and costly issuance conditions, a moderate but not full utilization seems appropriate — around 50% of the cap would give a rating buffer without overpaying for equity credit. **4. Conclusion** They would likely target a middle ground — using hybrids for some equity credit but not pushing to the maximum allowed, aligning with both financial strategy and market pragmatism. 50%